Yeah, it's Brian again. Here he is holding two of his latest creations which still need final sanding and polishing. He actually did a pretty good job putting the finish on. We'll see how he does sanding them this time. Overall, not bad for a future Master. He's doing just fine now that he is taking his time. These cues may actually be salable (assuming he stays on course). :-) Now, he wants to know when he can make cues with points and veneers. He has yet to master doing sneaky pete's but soon enough we'll have him doing more complex cues. The lesson here is start off with simple projects and when that is mastered, then move up to more complex designs.Ok, enough about Brian. Here we are showing three methods of finishing a cue. The first is using Thin Cyanoacrylate. The second is using a Finishing Epoxy and Cyanoacrylate. The third is using a Water Borne solution. All three work well and you can achieve a nice glossy finish. There are other sections showing proper sanding techniques and showing the actual finishing station. We do hope you enjoy this section and have gained more information into building cues.
Cue Finish With Cynoacrylate
Here is one method of finishing cues. Cyanoacrylate can be used to finish a cue to a high gloss. You simply apply numerous coats of the thin Cyano . First you fold a paper towel and pour some Cyano onto the towel. Then, with the lathe turning you wipe the Cyano up and down the butt or shaft section. Do this step numerous times until the desired finish is achieved; usually 10 -20 coats. Let dry between several coats and reapply. You then let dry and wet sand with 400 to 2000 grit. And lastly, for a super mirror like finish, Micro-Mesh sanding sheets can be used to remove any hairlines and buff it out to an incredible gloss finish.You can use the regular thin Cyanoacrylate or we prefer to recommend the Odorless Cyanoacrylate for finishing cues. For doing small joining work with Cyanoacrylates, the regular is fine. But when doing large surfaces or working with it for prolonged periods of time such as finishing a cue, we recommend the odorless. If you choose to use the regular Cyanoacrylate, please use in a well ventilated area and be sure to wear an approved mask and goggles. The fumes are hazardous and an irritant. The odorless is the way to go for finishing but still wear protective gear.
Cue Finish With Epoxy
Much has been written and discussed about 5 minute epoxy finishes. It's a good way to finish a cue without spraying automotive clear coat. This is one method of finishing a cue but requires time and patience. We will relate a little story. We have a friend and co-worker who is apprenticing with us. Now, Brian is a great guy and is willing to learn. Well, it seems that Brian read a cue building book written by some 'cue man' out there somewhere. After reading this book, Brian is now an "expert" in the art of cue building because he read the 'book'. We asked him if we could see the 'book' and as such skimmed through it. It is most certainly a worthwhile endevour and includes a lot of useful information. There are some things which we disagree with but that is a matter of preference while we did find a couple of outright and in our opinion, mistakes. Overall is is an excellent beginning into the art of cue building.Ok, so now with all that in mind.... Brian was up to the step of finishing a cue and he says, "hey Dude, (now, I'm a dude) we can finish the cue using epoxy". I say huh! Are you nuts. Why? I've been doing things, my way and they work, so let's leave well enough alone. However, I forgot that Brian is now an '"expert" because he read the 'book'. So he says, "Dude, the 'book' says you can use 5 minute epoxy". And so, I say, really now. And, what brand epoxy can we use? Brian, intelligently says, "Devcon". Devcon, I reply! You've got to be kidding. Brian says, "no Dude, here let me show you the chapter in the 'book'". And so I read it and yes, it does indeed state that you can use Devcon for finishing the cue. I sat there and tried to explain to Brian that you cannot use Devcon because it yellows. I also stated that you cannot use G5 or West System for the same reason, which of course Brian already knew (he read the 'book'). "No Dude, the 'book' specifically says that Devcon doesn't yellow", he replied. Oh, Devcon doesn't yellow which is news to me. I thought I knew it all but the 'book' does indeed state that it doesn't yellow and I guess it must be true (but I know better). I try and try to explain to Brian that Devcon yellows but he insists. After years of using and experimenting with epoxies, Devcon, West and G5 all yellow. I will repeat that. Devcon, West and G5 all yellow. PERIOD, end of conversation; there are no ifs, ands or buts. But, Brian knows better (he read the 'book' and is now an expert). And as such, I had to prove my point. I placed Devcon, G5, West and our own finishing epoxy on a white sheet of paper. Once dry, I exposed all of them to UV light and the results are seen on the inset photo of this page (top right photo).If you look at all the samples, what do you see? Devcon, G5 and West all yellowed. Do you agree? Of course you do. You plainly see that all of them (including the Devcon), yellowed. Do you see that Brian? The Devcon yellowed. End of conversation. The only one that did not yellow is Cue Components brand of epoxy. Now, we did not put this little story up to sell our own brand of epoxy. We did it to prove a point. However, now that we are writing all this, we think that we will offer it to those of you who want a non-yellowing finishing epoxy. Thank you and I do hope you enjoyed reading this and have gained some experience in cue building. And, the moral to the story is, don't believe everything that you read.The upside to all this... After showing Brian the above test he has finally put the book away. We can't even bring it up to him as it's a sore subject. However, as you can see by the goofy photo above, Brian has finally realized that despite what he reads and hears about building cues, we really do know better. And, after using Cue Components Finishing Epoxy he was one happy camper (you'd never know it by looking at the photo). How do we know, "Dude, you were right and this stuff goes on so much easier". And, "look at that shine Dude; it's off the hook!". Uh, yeah Brain, we know, now put it back on the hook and hang it up. Gotta love todays slang. :-)Application:Just mix it up and smear it on with your hand (using a glove of course). Try to put it on evenly and have the cue rotating after it's applied. You can set-up lights overhead to aid in drying. Let the cue sit for 24 hours prior to sanding. Then sand evenly until all rough and shiny areas are gone. Then, just wipe on 5 -10 coats of Thin Cyanoacrylate and let dry overnight. Once again, sand all rough and shiny areas off, wet sand up to 2000, then buff as usual using your favourite compounds.Special Note: While we specifically state that Devcon, G5 and West System epoxies all yellow when exposed to UV light, this in no way means that they are unacceptable for building cues. To the contrary, all mentioned epoxies are excellent for building cues. They are just not good for finishing cues where the epoxy will be exposed. They are perfectly acceptable for joining component parts when building cues. In fact, we use all three.
Cue Finish With Water Borne Products
Be sure your applicator is clean!!You can wipe on or spray on both the sealer and gloss coats. Spraying is always better. Be sure your spray gun is clean and free of debris and previous contaminants. The wood must be clean; wipe down the cue/wood with denatured alcohol and then apply one coat of sealer. It only takes a few seconds for the sealer to dry. Keep putting on coats until you have about 6-10 coats. Let it dry overnight and then sand all the shiny areas off until smooth. You may now apply the gloss coat in the same manner, however it takes longer for the gloss to dry between coats depending on humidity and your area. Put about 4-6 coats of gloss in one period. Once the gloss has dried for 1-2 days, lightly sand to a smooth finish; buff and wax as usual. Of course, the number of coats is up to you and your desired finish.When applying the sealer or gloss -- If you let either dry overnight, you must sand before applying additional coats of the same. If you apply either in one period (same day within a few hours) then you do not need to sand.If you need to thin either out please use distilled water to only the amount you are going to be using. Do not thin out the entire mixture as bacteria may build up.Additionally, do not use the sealer directly over metal rings which are larger than .015. If the cue contains metal rings, first place a coat of cyanoacrylate over the rings and then use the seal coat.More information about using a water borne solution is available by going to our Cue Components Cue Finish section.
How To Sand The Cue Finish
This subject is so difficult to explain. Once again, we show Brian here sanding the epoxy finish. If you note, he is not wearing a mask. The reason for that is because of the downdraft table under the lathe. It makes all the dust go downward and into the collector. It really does work that efficiently. It's a great addition to any shop.Next, if you look closely, you'll see that Brian is using a real large piece of sand paper and using both hands. Now, why is he doing it that way? Well, because we taught him to do it that way. It's the right way. You want to sand smooth and evenly up and down the cue in large even motions. This method creates the results we desire. Those results are a cue that is level, smooth and even without hills and valleys. If you sand with one hand using a small piece of sand paper, you will, in all likelihood create hills and valleys.We actually sand using an 8.5" X 11" sheet of sand paper. We told Brian to use half that until he masters the technique. A full sheet is just too much sanding power for a beginner. We started him off with 3" X 5" sheets. He's already graduated to the next size of about 4" X 11". Do not build up heat and move in large even strokes up and down the cue - evenly. And remember, sand paper clogs up so be sure to check it as you are sanding and you can clean it out by using your air hose. Work clean, neatly and take your time.This method of sanding is paramount in achieving a smooth finish without hills and valleys. Just keep sanding and sand to the lowest imperfection, evenly throughout the cue. It's great advice. You'll thank us.Additionally, you can sand to smoothness using the above method. However, for final sanding you need to wet sand in up and down motions to remove all the hairlines. Do not rotate when final sanding. Use 400 grit up to 2000 grit in up and down motions to get all the hairlines out (which occur from rotating). You can then use Micro Mesh sanding sheets for a high gloss, smooth and hairline free job.
Ok... I just remembered another story about Brain which I am certain you will enjoy. One evening, Brian came over around 9pm and said, "Dude, can I put a finish on that cue"? Of course, after putting in a full day, the last thing I wanted to do was baby sit and work on a cue. But as usual, I said go ahead. I walked into the shop with him and asked what he intended to do. He said, "I want to put a finish on the cue". Ok, he knew the procedure and waiting times in between. As such, I left and went back to my recliner. Brian came in and out and told me what was going on. I just smiled and said ok. After all, he thought he was a master since he has been working on cues for about a month. I left him alone. Now, please pay particular attention to the time he arrived which was 9pm. It was now midnight and I was wondering where Brian was and as such, I walked into the shop. Well, there was Brian sanding up a storm; he looked like the white knight! I did all I could not to bust a gut! He told me what had happened and I just smiled and rubbed it in -- Brian... I told you that you have to let the stuff dry. "I know Dude", he replied. I left the shop.It's now 3am and Brian was MIA so I was wondering what the heck he was doing. Actually, I knew what he was doing but i just had to see it. I walked into the shop and there was Brian with the saddest face, just putting the cue back up on the rack. He had enough. I saw that the cue looked like raw wood and asked him what had happened. Well, he said this and that but the bottom line was that he put one finish on but didn't let it dry enough before sanding and as such ruined it. He then had to sand all that work off and start over. Of course, he didn't learn by that mistake and did it all over again for a second time and so he spent 6 hours working and sanding for nothing. Well, I don't know if it was for nothing because we decided to put out a new model cue. It's called the pencil cue! Why? Because he originally started out with a cue that was around .820 at the joint. From adding finish and sanding back to wood, adding finish and sanding back to wood, he ended up with .775 at the joint. Hence, the pencil point cue. :-)So, what did Brian learn from all this? Well, we left him to do it his way (even though we told him the right way) because he just wouldn't listen and so mistakes are some peoples best lesson. Now, he comes over, puts the finish on, we talk a bit and he leaves. Yep, he let's it sit overnight and doesn't rush anymore. Some people have to learn the hard way. We let him make the mistake but he'll never forget it and now, he will always have patience. It was his best teacher. The end.... of this chapter. We're certain we'll have more stories, so stay tuned and don't miss the next thrill packed episode of....'The Amazing Adventures of Brian'. Now I feel like saying, same Bat channel. Now, we're giving away our age. :-)
Finish Station
Here is our downdraft table with Grizzly lathe atop it. As you can see, it is now set up with 4 Halogen lamps to cure the Epoxy, Cyano or Water Borne finishes. When not in use, the lights swivel down and out of the way for sanding. We then add finish, pop the lights up and on, then rotate the cue for curing. Simple, inexpensive set-up. Efficient and does a great job.P.S. That cue is there just for display purposes and yes we know it needs the ring work and joint collar. :-)
And, for those of you who want to know where to get a set of Halogen lamps like these, just go to your local Lowe's (isle 13). And remember, never, never, never leave Halogen lamps unattended.
Buffing & Polishing Cues
We're trying to maintain a totally unbiased opinion in this whole cue building area but when we think we have a product that is far superior than all others, we'll take the time to tout that product.This is the case with our System V buffing and polishing compounds. After your cue is sanded smooth, you'll require buffing and polishing compounds to bring out that shine. There are many products out there that adequately do that job but our System V does the best job to date of everything else that we've tried. Feel free to browse our System V Product.